While all the parties at Thursday's beef forum restated their positions on the various issues that they promote, there is no doubt it was one of the quieter, indeed more constructive engagements in recent times. There was a general consensus among farmer and factory representatives to give the new Minister for Agriculture Michael Creed a fair chance, but the setting up of a working group to see how Food Wise 2025 might be delivered could be seen by cynics as another talking shop and the forum itself should be able to take care of delivering the beef element of Food Wise 2025. Average price breakdown on cuts isn’t particularly enlightening in itself but does provide an overview of the relative worth of different parts of the carcase.Cloak of secrecy